bush defends iraq war in speech by steven lee myerspublished: march 20, 2008washington president bush used the fifth anniversary of the start of the war in iraq on wednesday to make the case for persevering in a conflict that could have many more anniversaries.
democrats accused him of lacking a strategy to win and withdraw.. mr. bush, speaking before members of the armed forces and defense officials at the pentagon, said in his frankest acknowledgment yet that the costs of the war, in lives and money, had been higher and longer lasting than he had anticipated.
but he remained unwavering in his insistence that the invasion of iraq, which began in march 2003, had made the world better and the united states safer.. "five years into this battle, there is an understandable debate over whether the war was worth fighting, whether the fight is worth winning, and whether we can win it," he said.
Pathological is an understatement in this case. What is going to happen when the US government quits paying the Sunni militias and at the same time propping up the Shiite govenment? I don't think 100 years is long enough to bring reconciliation in Iraq, as McCain wants.
In the mean time, the economy is failing in the US and the dollar is becoming valueless.
i was thinking about the reasoning the watchtower used as a proof that people were really meant to live forever.
they said that because our cells continually replace themselves, we really were made to live forever.
they even went so far as to say scientists could not figure out why this process didn't go on forever and were puzzled by this.. then i realized that all animals have the same mechanisms in place, yet the witnesses say they were not meant to live forever.
Hebrews 9:27 says,"Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgement". Other translations use the word "appointed" rather than "destined".
I am inclined to believe that nothing physical can last forever, nor was meant to . The same afflictions that affect humans also affect animals. I am still amazed at the faulty reasoning of the watchtower on the simplist of issues. Their whole idea of mankind being created to live forever physically is so easily debunked.
Makes me wonder about my own intelligence though.
does the wts still discourage their members from starting a family.....like they did back in the 1970's?
our jw loved ones have no children yet, and was wondering if this could be why.. .
lavendar .
The witnesses teach that Armegeddon is close and for that reason, some choose not to have children. They don't outright forbid it, but those who don't are held up as examples for sacrificing more time to Jehovah. Others say they don't want to bring children into "this wicked world", as it would be unfair to the child.
i'm learning my way around the board, i did use the search feature, but i was not able to find what i was looking for exactly.
my question is, at one time jw were taught that jesus was their mediator, then later they were taught that he is not.
what is the current teachings of jesus being mediator?
What was it that Jesus sais about the religious leaders placing themselves in the seat of Moses? Seems the governing body has placed themselves in the place of Jesus. I don't think I would want to be that haughty.
i was thinking about the reasoning the watchtower used as a proof that people were really meant to live forever.
they said that because our cells continually replace themselves, we really were made to live forever.
they even went so far as to say scientists could not figure out why this process didn't go on forever and were puzzled by this.. then i realized that all animals have the same mechanisms in place, yet the witnesses say they were not meant to live forever.
I was thinking about the reasoning the watchtower used as a proof that people were really meant to live forever. They said that because our cells continually replace themselves, we really were made to live forever. They even went so far as to say scientists could not figure out why this process didn't go on forever and were puzzled by this.
Then I realized that all animals have the same mechanisms in place, yet the witnesses say they were not meant to live forever. I wonder why it took me so long to put 2 and 2 together? Sometimes, I can't believe I didn't see through such faulty reasoning. Anyone else remember this argument?
Do you think man was ever meant to live forever in a physical body?
it happened last night guys.
i got early to the kh and the boe came to talk to me.
they ask me to read the bible and asked me a couple of questions.
I hope this doesn't blow up in your face. Most witnesses don't like being proved wrong. I wish the best to you and your family. It just seems like a rather convoluted way to reach anyone's heart.
Sorry, I don't like titles and I can't say congrats on something that has proven to be so harmful. Participate in JCs?
at tonights meeting a new brochure was released along with the question box in the km regarding how to dress when visiting bethel/branch homes.
they, of course, said to dress like you do at th meetings.
the brochure is 4 pages with color photo illustations of what not to wear and what is appropriate.
It's called institutional living. They get to make the rules. Just don't go there.
the other thread (opposite in nature) is really touching and i enjoyed reading everyone's experiences.
i saw a few people who were still in share how scared they were of that outcome, so i thought positive stories of how you managed to save your marriage while leaving the organization might be nice.
so, what is your story?
I tried to let my husband know that I still loved him and did not want the difference in beliefs to come between us. It is very difficult though because of the loss of friends and social structure that we had for decades.
I think one of the biggest issues was the question of whether I would walk away from him as I did the religion. You have to separate the marriage from the religion. It is important to calm any suspicions your mate may have.
My husband left shortly after I quit going too. He just didn't want to go to the meetings alone. My children are grown, but they have become more distant because we no longer attend. Most of my husband's beliefs have stayed along witness lines, but I was thrilled to hear him say, "I don't know what I believe", the other day. Might not sound like much, but it's a huge statement for a jw.
i'm in the middle of reading coc.
quite the eye opener to things i already suspected.
my question is this - if some on the governing body have doubts, how can they just go along with it?
Franz, who spent years at the top, said it was because they are "captives of a concept". Then there is the time and effort they put into getting to the top. Most are also financially dependent on the organization by this time. It takes a strong person to say they were misled and walk away from it all.
I likes Franz's second book, In Search Of Christian Freedom, better. COC is a good place to start though.
well it seems that the jw's observe the passover, especially this year, utilizing the jewish calendar.
yet, why do they not use the jewish calendar for fixing 1914?
funny how they attempt to place the kingdom of god, and jesus ascension (1914) using the modern dating system, yet the ritual of honoring his covenant is based off a totally different dating scheme.
I thought you meant dating services to find a mate. Who knows why they do anything. I find it very interesting that the Jewish religion was based on the cycles of the moon, as were many pagan religions.
I think they may just be trying to be different than the churches. Funny, they are celebrating on Easter this year.
